Ex-Rider Interview: The TI Raleigh team of Peter Post was one of the best in the 70s and 80s. Post ‘cracked’ a group of English riders on the team, they returned home, but Bob Cary stuck it out. Ed Hood had to catch up and find out more.
“Total Football (Dutch: totaalvoetbal) is a tactical theory in football in which any outfield player can take over the role of any other player in a team. It was made famous by the Netherlands national football team in the 1974 FIFA World Cup.” The Dutch finished second to the West German side in the finals but changed how football was played, forever. But it wasn’t just Dutch football which changed the way sport was looked at and practiced; this was the era of Dutchman, Peter Post and his mighty RALEIGH armada – Total Cycling!
As well as the change in dynamic from having a team with a sole leader in the Anquetil/Merckx mould, to team where virtually everyone had their opportunities – everything mattered. The bikes had to be the best, the clothing had to look the most stylish and fit properly, the cars had to look stunning – and winning was everything. It was 1972 when Raleigh came back into team sponsorship with a team comprised largely of British riders with a UK programme and George Shaw as team manager. But in ’73 they spread their wings to Europe – however, the results weren’t encouraging. For 1974 the company decided to push deeper into Europe to boost those all-important sales figures; former Paris-Roubaix winner and six day ‘Keiser’ Peter Post was recruited and the team augmented with Dutch talents such as Roy Schuiten. By ’75 Shaw was gone, Post was completely in charge and German ‘Golden Boy’ Dietrich Thurau was on board but still with a smattering of GB riders. But by ’76 the team had gone ‘total Euro’ save for two names, Dave Lloyd – who we interviewed in 2016 and one Bob Cary. High times we caught up with the Londoner.
Racing as a junior
PEZ: You turned professional with TI Raleigh in 1974, tell us about your career up until then please, Bob.
Bob Cary: I was a pretty good junior but I had been sick a lot as a youngster and spent a lot of time in hospital. I used to go to the Condor Cycles shop in London and look at the pictures they had up on the wall – and I decided I wanted to be a professional cyclist one day. In 1969 I was Inner London Champion with Eagle Road Club. But then I joined the Whitewebbs Cycling Club where I trained with the famous British time trial champion, Alf Engers – we’d knock out two-up 10 mile time trials in 20 minutes which was pretty quick back then.
On the track at 19
As a road rider I progressed from junior to second category to first category when I started to ride Star Trophy races; that was the season-long competition which incorporated all the big races in Britain. But I didn’t ride with my head, I was too aggressive and had to learn to ride smarter. I was North London Champion in 1972 and rode the Tour of Britain Milk Race, that year and again in 1973 when I was the late Phil Edwards’ domestique. Phil was the best British rider of the era and went on to be Francesco Moser’s right hand man. The Milk race was very hard, riding against the Poles, Russians and Czechs. I ended ’73 racing in France where I rode the Grand Prix de France time trial for Normandy, Patrick Perret – who went on to a 10 year pro career with Miko and Peugeot – won that, I punctured but still beat Ray Lewis of Great Britain by one second in that one. Ray was the ‘British Best All Rounder’, which was the season-long competition to find the best time trial rider in Britain. I wasn’t a bad time trial rider, I could handle my bike well which was a big boon on technical courses; I won the early season North Roads Hard Riders time trial which is over a really testing course – small, gnarly lanes with lots of hills and bends. But the trouble with time trialling is that you end up only being able to ride at one pace.
On the Milk Race
PEZ: How did you get the Raleigh ride in ’74?
Ron Webb, the guy who used to organise the SKOL London six day race was involved with Raleigh, he’d seen me ride on the old London six day track which was a training facility in an aircraft hanger down near Southampton – he said to me; ‘Do you want to turn pro, Bob?’ There was the British section of the team and there was the ‘Euro Team’ – my first race was with the Euros; The Tour of South Holland in the wind and rain! With the benefit of hindsight I could have done with a year or two competing at international level before I took the plunge. With Raleigh there was no nurturing from the GB manager, George Shaw, you were just thrown straight into it. In ’74 I had numerous top 10 finishes in the UK and won a criterium up in Barrow in Furness – Peter Post and Ron Webb selected me for the Euro team to race in criteriums over there so at the end of the season my contract was renewed.
PEZ: Then you were with the team ’75 and ’76?
In the winter of ’74 I went to night school and learned Dutch – I wanted to know what was getting said! And I emigrated to The Netherlands with Dave Lloyd. I’d say my best year was ’76 – I put in a good winter and then paid my own way to the GAN-Mercier pre-season training camp on the Riviera to ride with Barry Hoban and Raymond Poulidor. I got some top 10 finishes in races down on the Cote d’Azur and Post told me that I may well be riding the Tour de France. I rode the big classics, Paris-Roubaix and Liege-Bastogne-Liege; that was a savage race you’d go from 53 x 13 to 42 x 26 in a matter of yards. I really wanted to ride the Tour and so over a period of 35 days I rode 25 criteriums, finishing in the top 15 in all of them. I even raced twice in one day, in Northern France in the afternoon then in Eeklo in Belgium in a nocturne. Some days I was doing 300 kilometres, riding to and from the race. Unfortunately, I collapsed with pneumonia – so no Tour.
PEZ: What was it like riding alongside all those 70’s stars?
Most of them were really good guys, the late Gerrie Knetemann in particular was a nice person.
PEZ: The team was always immaculately turned out, wasn’t it?
The bikes and clothing were the best – but you had to buy your own socks and track mitts!
PEZ: What about Peter Post, we’ve all heard so many stories about his ‘anti-Britishness’?
He had us all reduced to tears at one time or another, he could be a horrible man. I don’t think that he was ‘anti-British’ just much more pro-Dutch talent – riders like Roy Schuiten. You had to be able to stand up to him but he could be a difficult, I remember him phoning me at 03:00 am telling me there had been a change of plan and I had to be at the start of such-and-such a race in Amsterdam in the morning – but I was there for the start, that day.
PEZ: Brits were still a bit of a rarity in the pro peloton back then?
I think I was generally accepted and respected in the peloton, of course you had the Belgian and Dutch combines but the Aussies Graeme Gilmore and Danny Clark and I would ride for each other in the crits. I even had my own supporters club over there, they used to say I looked like Barney Rubble from the Flintstones! But when I look back I had never really shone as an amateur before I turned professional – it was the wrong team to go pro with.
PEZ: When you look back on that phase of your career, what were the highlights for you?
I remember winning the North London Champs fondly, and riding tough Milk Races as an amateur is something to be proud of – but as a pro I rode the Classics and am grateful for those time I spent on the continent having come back from illness and injury as a youngster. The one thing I always remembered was what my coach, Frank Westell told me; ‘being a successful racing cyclist is 80% mental attitude.’
For 1977 he was back in the UK with the Carlton-Weinmann team alongside riders like Olympic team pursuit medallists, Mick Bennett and Robin Croker not to mention British pro scene stalwart, Reg Smith. Bob takes up the story:
It was a good little team, I rode with them for two seasons, with some good placings along the way. I rode the London to Holyhead in ’77, that was over 427 kilometres, we were on the bike for 11 hours plus, Sid Barras won that one. And in ’78 I rode the Glenryck Cup on the Eastway Circuit – the London Olympic velodrome is built on the site of that circuit – where Eddy Merckx came over along with many big continental names like Poulidor, Ocaña and Thurau who won on the day. I also rode in the Belgian kermises but because most of them weren’t UCi races you don’t see the results on the palmarès websites.
PEZ: Season ’79 you rode for TJ Glemp on those ‘Flying Gate’ frames.
Yes, it was an Anglo-Belgian team, the TJ was Trevor Jarvis, the guy behind the TJ ‘Flying Gate’ frames – they actually rode really well, give me a steel frame over carbon any day; I’m still reaching for my down tube gear levers! Glemp was the Belgian side of the team, I got the ride through a recommendation from the folks at Plum Vainqueur bike shop in Gent.
PEZ: Then you rode single sponsored for Carnation Build Up?
Yes, with Ken Bird supplying the bikes; my career was winding down by then but I still got a few nice results like winning the North Roads ‘Hard Riders’ time trial, that’s early season and in the lanes, I won it at the start of my career too.
PEZ: I believe you did coaching in Africa during your time with Raleigh?
I was over in Victoria Island, Lagos in Nigeria with my Raleigh team mate, Dave Lloyd at the end of seasons ’75 and ’76. In my ‘civilian’ life since my cycling career ended I’ve done a bit of business in Nigeria – I can relate to the mentality there and get on well with the people. But on the way back from Nigeria in ’76 I flew to Rome with a view to travelling to Florence to sign with the Italian Magniflex team but I’d caught some sort of stomach bug in Nigeria and had to head back to London I was so unwell. I went to the tropical diseases hospital in London but it’s never really been sorted out. That’s one of my few regrets, I think I would have been more suited to Italian races than the races in Belgium and The Netherlands – as I said before, I was in there too deep, too early in my career.
PEZ: And you coached in the USA?
Yes, Jack Simes invited me over, I met Fred Mengoni [a massive supporter of cycling in the US, helping men like Greg Lemond and Steve Bauer, ed.] in New York and I said I’d love to ride for him – he sponsored Greg Lemond at the time – but he said, ‘no, I want you as a coach.’ I looked after the Huffy team, Danny van Haute, Mark Whitehead, Nelson Vails, LA Olympic Sprint Champion Mark Gorski and LA Olympic Pursuit Champion, Steve Hegg. People in the UK wouldn’t realise but cycling in the States back then was different, many of the riders came from wealthy backgrounds, their folks had money; in the UK and Europe it was still predominantly a working class sport.
PEZ: On the subject of the USA, you had a hand in getting British Time Trial Champion, Alex Dowsett his ride with the Livestrong development team in the US?
Alex rode for an amateur club which was sponsored by a friend of mine, the chap called me and said that he had two really good young lads in the club and could I help move them up to the next level? I contacted Lance Armstrong and he put me in touch with Axel Merckx, he was nice, we had a bit of banter about me racing against his dad and he said to send him CV’s for the riders. They accepted Alex, he rode with Livestrong then went to Sky, Movistar, Katusha and now he’s with Israel Start-Up Nation. I followed him in a mid-week 10 mile time trial once, he doesn’t half go!
PEZ: But I believe your coaching isn’t just restricted to cycling?
No, probably my most interesting piece of work was helping a lady who wanted to be a stunt woman for the movies but was having difficulty with her lung capacity for underwater swimming. I swim myself most days; not right now of course with all the pools being shut but I’m going to get a wet suit and get into doing some open water swimming.
PEZ: Are you still on the bike?
Yes, but I only do an hour a day when I can, like many endurance athletes I’ve had heart problems – the left ventricle is stretched so I have to be careful. Johan De Muynck, who’s the last Belgian rider to win a Grand Tour, the Giro back in 1978, lives in Spain and he’ll ring me up and say; ‘come down with your bike Bob and we’ll go out and do 200 kilometres together.’ I have to tell him to ‘steady on, Johan!’
PEZ: Do you still follow the international cycling scene?
Yes, I was really disappointed that Milan-Sanremo was cancelled, one of my favourite races. But I heard some Belgian guy say that it should just have gone ahead because cyclists are like cockroaches, they’ll survive the nuclear holocaust because they’re so tough.
PEZ: What do you do now, tell us about the picture of you with Yasser Arafat?
I work in international finance; that was taken when I was in Palestine, I was sent there from Israel as part of a project I was working on.
PEZ: An interesting life then, Bob?
For a fat, sick little boy who wandered into Condor Cycles in London at 12 years-of-age and gawped at the posters of Louison Bobet and Fausto Coppi on the wall and decided I wanted to be like that, I’ve done not too bad – I rode for the best team in the world at the time and against Eddy Merckx, the best rider ever, so I did OK.